Why Norris And Perez Received Penalties in Austria

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    Formula World

    One of the talking points of the Austrian GP was the number of penalties doled out to the drivers by the race stewards. No less than seven different drivers were penalized. This has left the world of F1 divided as some feel that these penalties were on the harsher side while others think that they were just. FIA race director Michael Masi has now explained why all these penalties were given

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    Why Were There So Many Penalties At The Austrian GP?

    Masi started off by looking at the penalty McLaren’s Lando Norris received at the start of the race

    “Obviously, the stewards had a look at all three. In Sergio’s case with Lando, he was wholly alongside Lando and therefore there is an onus to leave a car’s width to the edge of the track. And then the same in the reverse with Checo [Perez] and Charles at the exit of Turn 4”

    He further explained the penalties received by Red Bull’s Sergio Perez

    “And then Checo and Charles again at the exit of Turn 6, [the stewards’] view was - and I don’t sit in the stewards’ room to deliberate - that in all three circumstances, a car’s width should have been left to the edge of the track because the two cars were alongside each other”

    One complaint levelled at the race stewards was that they were inconsistent with their ruling during the first lap. Masi addressed that next

    “All Lap 1 incidents are treated in a more lenient manner and that has been the case for a number of years, under the ‘let them race’ principle, let’s call it. So that’s the general principle because particularly in circumstances like that, everyone has asked to look at things in a much [more lenient] way”

    He signed off by explaining if the penalty points system in use currently, according to which a driver will receive a race ban if they accrue 12 points in a year, is harsh

    “I don’t think they are harsh. It was discussed late last year… and the consensus was at the end of last year involving everyone, the teams, the FIA, everyone, that there shouldn’t be a change this year and it’s not something we’d ever change mid-year”


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    McLaren’s Lando Norris has explained that “it’s downhill, easy to run wide and it was just what happens” at turn 4 in Austria

    “You watch Formula 2 or Formula 3 or any category and people who try to go around the outside there and don’t commit to it end up in the gravel”

    “That’s just the way that corner runs. So, [Sergio Perez] took the risk, and not me”, Lando added

    F1’s managing director Ross Brawn is of the opinion that Norris “delivered a sensational qualifying performance and followed it up with a great race”

    He also accepted that “there were some tough decisions regarding penalties in the race, one of which impacted Lando”

    “No one, including the stewards, want to see penalties and they will be debated for a long time”

    “But equally, we can’t have unregulated aggression on the track. It’s not what we want to see either. Finding that balance isn’t always easy”, Brawn suggested

    The Australian GP scheduled for November 19-21 at Albert Park in Melbourne has been cancelled

    A spokesperson for F1 stated that they “are confident [they] can deliver a 23-race season in 2021 and [they] have a number of options to take forward to replace the place left vacant by the Australian Grand Prix”

    They “will be working through the details of those options in the coming weeks and will provide further updates once those discussions are concluded”

    McLaren driver Daniel Ricciardo’s performance at the Austrian GP “gives [him] encouragement going into this Sprint Qualifying” at Silverstone

    Alpine executive director Marcin Budkowski says they “are still figuring out some adjustments to the rear wings after the FIA’s famous technical directive, which [they] are quite bitter about, to be honest”

    They “feel a bit like the collateral damage of the teams up front fighting for the title trying to undercut each other by throwing a banana peel at each other, looking for problems with the other’s car”

    Red Bull advisor Helmut Marko feels that as they “are on equal grounds in terms of engine, it comes down to the chassis and the driver”

    “In the past Max always had to take more risks. Mercedes will fight back, but [Red Bull] have proven that [they] can be competitive at any circuit”

    Marko also implied that “for a long time there was no pressure on Hamilton. There is now, and [Red Bull] are increasing that pressure”

    This according to Marko was why “Lewis made a mistake by damaging his car, presumably on the kerbs”


    Were the penalties during the Austrian GP fair?

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28 dagen geleden
McRocket
McRocket

@Muhammad Adil Qureshi I agree. But maybe it was YouTube themselves that deleted them. Either way, I would like to know why. And it was not just mine. It was about half a dozen replies to my post from others that got axed as well.

28 dagen geleden
Muhammad Adil Qureshi
Muhammad Adil Qureshi

@McRocket this is ridiculous that this guy is deleting posts.

28 dagen geleden
Muhammad Adil Qureshi
Muhammad Adil Qureshi

Stop the stupid polls

28 dagen geleden
McRocket
McRocket

My post and it's responses were erased. May I know why?

28 dagen geleden
Colin Evans
Colin Evans

The annoying thing is Perez wasn’t fully along side Lando so he didn’t have to leave a car width!

21 dag geleden
Yoeri Weenink
Yoeri Weenink

Same for Leclerc at the second time of asking. He just powered alongside without any hope of ever making the turn. Also as Lando said that turn (4) drags you to the outside. In my opinion turn 4 in Austria is not a place to go around the outside just because of the dynamic of the turn. Anyone who tries will always get pushed wide. whether the other driver does it intentionally or not.

21 dag geleden
Rm Lances
Rm Lances

Teams - They’re bad that have an advantage FIA - They’re penalized Teams - Thanks! FIA - You’re penalized too Teams - OMG why? It’s so unfair. I might even sue!! FIA - Carpe diem

22 dagen geleden
robert silva
robert silva

I am so tired of the b******* politics in F1 I mean seriously! I'm ready to quit F1 altogether done. Example the bulshit they keep handing down to botas I mean seriously let these guys race and botas you either need to grow some balls or move to another team

22 dagen geleden
menon koonjul
menon koonjul

And even still no effect George Russell no points again

24 dagen geleden
taste_
taste_

It's confusing because over the last yew years the FIA has made it abundantly clear that if you have the inside racing line, you can drift as far wide as you want. Simple example of Verstappen pushing Leclerc wide at turn 3 Austria 2019 taking the win.

24 dagen geleden
Kronaphasia
Kronaphasia

It's not really the race stewards fault. They are under pressure too. If team bosses, chiefs & managers would just STFU & not call the stewards & race director during the race to try & enforce penalties on other team drivers the stewards would just call it a race incident. Probably one or more of the stewards got an earful which irritated them so they offered a "ya you want to play that game I'll call your drivers on the same sort crap the next time around".................I know I would do the same if you bitched at me.

25 dagen geleden
Steven Newham
Steven Newham

I'd like to know which race the stewards were watching? It certainly wasn't this one!!!

25 dagen geleden
Luis Rodríguez
Luis Rodríguez

Am I the only one who sees incongruent that “let them race” but just for lap 1, the rest… don’t?

25 dagen geleden
Paul Sven
Paul Sven

sorry but since Massi things are messy.....

26 dagen geleden
Dabz343
Dabz343

if lando didn't run checo off turn 4, then we would have seen them fight again for the next corner. and if they both managed to keep along side each other, then again and again, until one of them runs out of talent...and the whole time, i would be holding my breath in amazement. running others off just kills this fight...and i suspect, the drivers will admit -- they live for these fights. so fia, get out of your own way, provide genuine consistency and let these boys fight.

26 dagen geleden
Master Ticcu
Master Ticcu

Why does this even need explaining?? You can't force someone off the track

26 dagen geleden
burdine estep
burdine estep

No, give no quarter - that's racing. It's all fake now, drs, millions of buttons, 100's of people, computers everywhere. You put your car there, make it work or go off. Snowflake stuff. All the real great departed drivers are throwing up.

26 dagen geleden
Perpetually_Biased
Perpetually_Biased

that's a good point helmut made. lewis _has_ made more mistakes in the opening half of the season compared to before. love seeing RBR increase the pressure

26 dagen geleden
Miganon
Miganon

I think what pisses people off isn't the decision to penalise Lando but rather the inconsistency and what feels like arbitrary ruling, not just for pushing people wide, but also other rulings and decisions in general. What about Hamilton going wide for 30 laps without getting any warnings and then the stewards suddenly enforcing track limits when Max goes wide for the first time when RB realised that Ham isn't penalised for going wide for 30 laps? Or introducing the pitstop technical directive for SAFETY, right after the French GP where the teams had concerns regarding the sausage curbs, especially in the case of RB where the curb broke a piece of the front wing off and left said piece ON THE TRACK for any cars behind to potentially puncture their tires with? What about Lando not entering the pits under red flag, because he felt that he couldn't enter the pit safely at that speed and location of the track? Hell, if they really need to be safe, they could stop the cars by the side of the track if need be, why are certain rulings enforced so tightly with no apparent regard for the spirit of the rule? And these are only for this year, how about the precedence set in previous years on the same pushing-people-off-track situation? It wouldn't be so bad if the FIA is consistent, but it really feels like the FIA hires a completely different set of stewards for every race.

26 dagen geleden
Grizzly
Grizzly

Ban Norris can't wait

27 dagen geleden
KosmicHaynerRacingTeam
KosmicHaynerRacingTeam

To everyone who has never raced and think it’s a fair move. Here you go…..https://youtu.be/m_OXfqqUCqQ

27 dagen geleden
Geo Sebastian
Geo Sebastian

We're gonna see a lot more dive-bombing via late-braking now. Also, if Hamilton was the one that did it, the stewards would have turned the other way. F1 has been and will continue to be a Brit sport.

27 dagen geleden
KosmicHaynerRacingTeam
KosmicHaynerRacingTeam

F1 needs to get their crap together. Ever race the rules are different regarding passing, and track limits. It’s stupid that they use different stewards at every race. It’s cute in kindergarten, but F1 needs to act like a professional organization.

27 dagen geleden
Its always around
Its always around

See. Marco knows whats up. Hamilton just hasn't had a driver challenge him which is why he's done as well as he has. Not saying hes bad, just that there hasn't been a decent challenge since Nico

27 dagen geleden
John-Murray Hofmeyr
John-Murray Hofmeyr

Because the sport is over regulated. This will become more of an issue where drivers are so stressed about following rules for fear of harsh penalties that it will effect their racing.

27 dagen geleden
Dylan Swart
Dylan Swart

12 point ban is fine. But only give point for serious penalties not for small mistakes

27 dagen geleden
Derek Lee
Derek Lee

Michael Masi is a bloody joke. When it comes to serious actual life threatening situation like delay of safety car for crashes especially Verstappen high speed crash and the safety concern of Pirelli tires, nothing was addressed. But when it comes to this minor incidents it is laid down hard. He just want to be perceived as though he is doing something about safety, when nothing concrete has been done at all

27 dagen geleden
Miganon
Miganon

Or the sausage curbs, especially when a piece of a car's front wing broke off and was left on the track for any cars behind to potentially puncture their tires with. Totally safe to purposely damage cars that went wide for whatever reason, totally.

26 dagen geleden
Nelson Luis Freire
Nelson Luis Freire

The explanations are consistent. Norris explanations are not in accordance with currently rules. Rules are rules. And the fact that in other races other incidents were not judged this way consists no novation

27 dagen geleden
L B
L B

Both justified. Pretty simple realy

27 dagen geleden
yco67
yco67

Marko talks too much..

27 dagen geleden
Daniel L
Daniel L

As an F1 fan and more importantly as a racing fan all these penalties really pissed me off. Watching penalties be handed so liberally during a race really just ruins the fan experience.

27 dagen geleden
XDRONIN
XDRONIN

The penalties are only unfair when your favorite driver or team gets penalized.

27 dagen geleden
Dineo Cornet
Dineo Cornet

Exactly. These stans are just noisey for no reason. it's ruining sports

25 dagen geleden
Collin Wadham
Collin Wadham

Lando's "fine" to me was out of order. The others, were border line except for a Perez one. All such penalties should be for dangerous incidents, or some drivers could play on them. Maybe to help a team mate win by "arranging" a 5min penalty when it could mean so much. And maybe lead to a race ban, as in Lando's case right now, Especially if challenging for the title. He could lose it on THIS account. Consider it occurring in the Lewis v Max competition for instance.

27 dagen geleden
Collin Wadham
Collin Wadham

@Rod Clark Oh I messed up. 🙄. I meant 5 second. Thanks mate. I will leave it there so any reader will understand our conversation. Thanks again.

27 dagen geleden
Rod Clark
Rod Clark

a 5min penalty would be quite excessive

27 dagen geleden
In Orbit
In Orbit

The FIA is responsible for most of the issues F1 is facing with fans. Lando got a penalty because the other driver took a huge chance passing on the outside - They were along side for a nanosecond - Lando would have been forced to slow down ... again because of a chance move of another driver. Another driver can take a risk and the penalty goes to the other ... That poor precedent needed to be respected further into the race and penalized Perez for the same thing he initially benefited from....

27 dagen geleden
abcdef ghijlkmn
abcdef ghijlkmn

Its funny how on the same track 2 years ago max pushed out charles when they were side by side, that was all right, now being side to side is enough for a penalty, the good ol' fia consistancy

27 dagen geleden
Barceman 1003
Barceman 1003

Just imagine everyone do this kind of racing line is king stuff in a city track, say baku turn 19 and 20. It is just a balance between hard racing and safe racing, I think thats why the FIA handed different decision depending what's the surface on the run out area. Is it fair, probably not, but IMO it's kinda reasonable.

28 dagen geleden
Coulda Beena Contenda
Coulda Beena Contenda

The baby men are going to make them come out and explain every decision aren’t they? Exhausting.

28 dagen geleden
Pablo Yescobar
Pablo Yescobar

The Stupids just need to leave the racing to on track.

28 dagen geleden
Dan
Dan

Lando's penalty was an absolute joke.. he couldn't have left a gap on that corner..

28 dagen geleden
Taz
Taz

Ross Brawn really likes Lando these days.

28 dagen geleden
RICKOVERZ DREAM
RICKOVERZ DREAM

Norris, needs to chill out. The maturity of drivers these days has a lot to do with it. Some growing up/maturing on track needs to be looked at

28 dagen geleden
chuckschilling
chuckschilling

Masi is a joke who is just looking for unwarranted celebrity.

28 dagen geleden
Rodfather72
Rodfather72

Let’s be honest. It was a stuff up. Once the first penalties were applied, the stewards had no options but to apply the standard to the rest of the race.

28 dagen geleden
andrei pop
andrei pop

Next time, the stewards can just tell us who won before the race so not waste time watching it.

28 dagen geleden
Andrew Lummus
Andrew Lummus

The problem is not that the Lando and Checo penalties happened, there is a fair case to be made for them. The problem is that the stewards have been telling the drivers so far this year that those moves are fine. Pierre forced Lando wide in France, and Max forced Lewis onto the sausage kerbs and nearly onto the gravel at the start in Imola. These seemed to everyone to be hard but fair racing, and the stewards agreed. The drivers were allowed to close the door and cover the racing line. The rules should not change just because there is gravel outside this corner; the overtaking driver knows that and accepts that risk in attempting the maneuver. So it does not make sense to penalize this one inconsistently compared to previous incidents. Either way to call it is justifiable, but pick one!

28 dagen geleden
Infiniti Chico
Infiniti Chico

Norris did not deserve that penalty!!!

28 dagen geleden
Liam Connor
Liam Connor

I'll explain, it's because the fia don't like winners. THEY need a shake up never mind the rules on track, fukin set of twats they are.

28 dagen geleden
peter L
peter L

Basically,the FIA is not letting them race,w⚓️,s

28 dagen geleden
eleveendays
eleveendays

are you saying the ultra monster god Lewis made a mistake? He never misses, he is a god, it's the teams fault herp derp

28 dagen geleden
Rodi
Rodi

seems like them being spiteful after being called out in baku's aftermath ... now they push it to the extreme, but not in safety measures (the point of contention) but in penalty points.........

28 dagen geleden
Gerry Flashmann
Gerry Flashmann

Bullshit. How come max pulled off the same move against le clerk last year and faced no penalties. The rules are made up as they go along. LET THEM RACE . TAKE SOME LESSONS FROM INDYCAR

28 dagen geleden
nathan
nathan

I hope they bring back Africa with a South African gp sence Astriala is cancelled

28 dagen geleden
Rodrigo Soares
Rodrigo Soares

Complete 🐂💩! If it was Hamilton doing the same move no penalty would been given and Perez got his only because he was involved in Lando’s penalty. The driver on the outside always have the option to back off or to leave his car and see if the defending driver is willing to hit each other.

28 dagen geleden
Paul
Paul

Fia please let us race

28 dagen geleden
Muhammad Adil Qureshi
Muhammad Adil Qureshi

Stop the stupid polls

28 dagen geleden
Travis Jones
Travis Jones

Along side? Lando was in front, whomever is in front owns the corner.

28 dagen geleden
Prad G
Prad G

The penalties were stupid. All of them.

28 dagen geleden
Craig Heslop
Craig Heslop

And 2 points on license for taking normal racing line is fair? Yeah righto....

28 dagen geleden
Gold 999
Gold 999

I think Lando's one is a mistake, and they have to penalised others in order to be fair to Lando.

28 dagen geleden
christopher chadwick
christopher chadwick

Marko is basically a real life internet troll.

28 dagen geleden
Uncommon Sense
Uncommon Sense

We are obviously watching different replays than what Lando is watching or he is just being stubborn. Perez wasnt "trying a move around the outside", my young man.....he was wheel to wheel with you 150 meters before braking zone, then through turn, and on the exit you decided he is not allowed to have the inside or the outside. If you're defending and taking great inside track position, which most times hurts exit speeds due to the narrow apex, that's how it works buddy, you have to make sure that car is clear before bending your apex back out to the curb to maximize exit speeds like you took the turn without defending. You were not only a little wrong in your judgement, YOU ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO CLEARING CHECO THROUGH THR TURN, you werent clear of him before braking, during braking, during turn in, and not on exit either. Not only were you not clear of him to drive to the curb, he was wheel to wheel with you for 300 meters of track my guy. What in the serious fuck has everyone watched? I feel like I'm insane over this shit. People are just seeing different realities than me. Its uncanny. I get the driver being stubborn or getting it wrong in the heat after the race, before you have decompressed and watched all the angles but he has had to have seen by now. But I see F1 fans delusional about what happened. This is the first year I paid for full F1 TV to watch practice and every moment.....and my 14 yr old daughter and wife have watched almost all the races with me. And even my wife immediately said, "damn Lando really fucked Perez over, he was there the whole time, he was side by side for an eternity. No way Lando didnt see him there".....so deal with that you crazy people. I am a RB and Max fan but I like most of the drivers, I dont really hate any of them. I like most of their personalities in general. I like Lando. I like Sainz, I did like Charles but his dive bombs have been making me weary the past few weeks. I get his frustration though. He has talent. But rewatch the Leclerc Perez incident....Charles came from way fucking back, at least a hundre meters back through braking and just chucked it in after Perez was already turning in. At that point Perez, has already been braking and has eyed his turn in, and has began his geometric approach. I think it was a dive bomb hail mary from Charles and Perez should not back out. Charles was not wheel to wheel when braking began. Not even close. It was really a deep dive, go watch it again compared to Perez Norris turns. It's crazy how much more of a dive it was from Charles especially when compared.

28 dagen geleden
Rangifulla
Rangifulla

I don't think Masi is very good at his job. His ego is too big.

28 dagen geleden
J B
J B

An Aussie that actually tries (and succeeds) to pronounce names correctly, bravo! 👏

28 dagen geleden
Solemon Bester
Solemon Bester

Fia making f1 boring

28 dagen geleden
Gregg Doughty
Gregg Doughty

Norris was the front car, perez was at fault

28 dagen geleden
Bob Skinner
Bob Skinner

Lando's penalty totally incorrect. He was on the racing line all the way around the corner. He hit the apex then ran out wide in a normal manner to exit the corner at maximum speed. Once he is committed to that line at that speed there is no alternative line. Some of the other penalties were just to justify this initial error.

28 dagen geleden
Christo Kapp
Christo Kapp

Nah, all racing incidents in my opinion, FIA should revisit their philosophy and approach. The driver on the racing line has the benefit.

28 dagen geleden
Liviu Ticu
Liviu Ticu

why didnt verstappen get a penalty for pushing leclerc off the track for a win some 2-3 years ago as well as stroll for pushing ricciardo off the track a year ago?

28 dagen geleden
Liviu Ticu
Liviu Ticu

You can have unregulated aggression if its from Verstappen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-Li5w5BqIU

28 dagen geleden
Ross Waring
Ross Waring

So where was the first lap leniency for Lando!?! Utter BS

28 dagen geleden
LeeFox
LeeFox

It was restart safety car

28 dagen geleden
gary barnes
gary barnes

Lando was taking the racing line so what’s he supposed to do there, I understand you have got to give a cars width but at some point the other car has got to think I’m not going do this and let off the gas. This is just getting like football players feigning a foul, if I put my car there in this impossible place he has to give me room or he will get a penalty, Pah! It’s understandable if he pushed him off, but he just took the racing line.

28 dagen geleden
TryphonX
TryphonX

You do realize that Norris managed to keep the Mercedes cars behind him with that kind of defending. This is not a ruling that "takes out the racings", it's a ruling that allows racing. You can't have a race where the driver in front can always just take the inside line and force you out. That only allows overtakes on straights... oh how exciting would that be... The rule is clear, when you are alongside another car, you don't have the right to take the racing line, you either take the inside or the outside like Russel and Alonso did.

27 dagen geleden
Anirudh R
Anirudh R

0:25 why is masi using domenicalli's glasses. the stewarts have to be a bit more lenient over penalizing other drivers,Cuz it becomes hard to concentrate as laps go by. And pls F1 do a double interlagos by putting one more GP there as Melbourne is no longer in the calendar.

28 dagen geleden
Setsuna
Setsuna

We need a California GP ): I can't afford to go out of the country right now lol

28 dagen geleden
Super Hokuto
Super Hokuto

I want Sonoma! IndyCar was there until 2017 so homologation should be easy-ish?

28 dagen geleden
Stephen Miles
Stephen Miles

During the first several corners especially, a Safety Car restart can result in cars being even closer together than at the beginning of the race, so logically… IF they are lenient on 1st lap racing rules, they really SHOULD apply that same leniency to restarts, whether from a Safety Car or Red Flag.

28 dagen geleden
Brian T
Brian T

I think you mean to ask were they right. They were fair in that they were consistent across all situations. They weren't right though as they were excessive.

28 dagen geleden
TheRandomReview
TheRandomReview

Why romain lettuce grossjon never got penalised or banned? He is literally a crash maker.

28 dagen geleden
hkkyau
hkkyau

The 5 second penalties were justified since the outside cars were all truly alongside the inside car, so they were entitled to space, but none of it could happen because the outside driver had no road to be on (-_-). Each of those outside overtakes would have been highlight reel material, and the stewards should encourage wheel to wheel racing in a fair manner so more of those moments can happen.

28 dagen geleden
Blaine
Blaine

@Peter Crombie ok so if it is the responsibility of the overtaking driver to do so explain why Alonso was able to cleanly go around the outside of turn 6 on Russell and NOT be run off compared to Perez and LeClerc? It obviously won’t be on one driver while overtaking every single time, but for a driver to be going around the outside and being fully alongside the inside driver needs to notice and leave room, otherwise once again you get a scenario of “I’m taking the racing line” and you have dirty racing and no overtaking. also, you don’t need to race to just have common sense over drivers pushing each other off the circuit, that’s just common decency for anything related to racing.

27 dagen geleden
WarLock0722
WarLock0722

@Peter Crombie Lol, okay. That's some next level argument technique that I can't race with. Have a nice day.

27 dagen geleden
Peter Crombie
Peter Crombie

@Blaine Not at all. It is the responsibility of the overtaking driver to do so effectively and efficiently. If they think they can bully the other driver into backing off (they certainly don't have to), when they can not even get half a car in front before the mid point of the turn, then they are mistaken. To overtake around the outside, one has to commit to an action that really should see at least half a car length in front of the other car within the first third of the corner. The only other way for the manoeuvre to succeed is if the inside car is much slower, or is intimidated to the point of backing off.

27 dagen geleden
Peter Crombie
Peter Crombie

@WarLock0722 Well, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about and you very obviously certainly haven't ever raced anything, except from your arm chair.

27 dagen geleden
KosmicHaynerRacingTeam
KosmicHaynerRacingTeam

@Peter Crombie I’m amazed how how so many don’t understand this simple principle. It’s unbelievable to me. The inside shouldn’t have to give up his faster line and run on a more dirty, tighter radius, than the guy on the outside unless the outside guy is at least a half a car length ahead. Not right beside. He has to back out!!

27 dagen geleden
Carlos Fernandez
Carlos Fernandez

I think Lando is not doing what he supposed to and needs to STFU. The rules are rules and he’s an F1 driver now no need to be talking about the other formulas. The fact that he keeps calling checo stupid is annoying some people even me. He would of ended up P5 but because he took checo out and probably was one of the main contributors of why Lewis got floor damage he ended up P3.

28 dagen geleden
Hugo Atencio
Hugo Atencio

man f michael massi, tf whats the point of the gravel traps if youre gonna ad +5s penalties.

28 dagen geleden
Craig Gallagher
Craig Gallagher

I actually would agree with the penalties if they’d also been applied equally so in past years against big abusers Max and Vettel among a few others in my understanding of the very rule they now reference that if a car is far enough alongside you then they must be left at least a cars width of track space. This is where the double standards are occurring with people on either side as a result and these recent penalties debated so because the FIA aren’t addressing it. Consistency is the biggest issue with the FIA of recent years and people are starting to get jack of it.

28 dagen geleden
Craig Gallagher
Craig Gallagher

@Martin Stirling could be a factor but like you said, it should be consistent regardless of the type of track edging or runoff, just like track limits. There’s a solid white line around every track determining the limits of the track, decide on 2 or 3 wheels over the line as legal and stick to it for all tracks. Simple but apparently to hard for FIA stewards..

28 dagen geleden
Martin Stirling
Martin Stirling

I agree about the lack of consistancy on this ruling. I wonder if the FIA judged it differently in Austria because there were gravel traps outside of the corners, where other circuits have tarmac. This should not affect whether drivers are allowed to run others wide on a corner or not. Just give everyone consistancy.

28 dagen geleden
abysss91
abysss91

Not even Mazepin can drive as bad as Perez last race, shoving drivers off the track consistently

28 dagen geleden
LE 11
LE 11

Actually the cars are so big now a days. In old days you could have overtaken easily in a car sized as F2004 or R25 . Next year cars will be even bigger

28 dagen geleden
LE 11
LE 11

In that speed and the innertia cars will automatically go wide. If you forcefully turn inside the car will spin or if you slow down then what's the point???

28 dagen geleden
Finno Celestin
Finno Celestin

While watching the GP, I was pissed at the stewards. Then after watching footage, I agree. It's hard to keep the inside at turn 4, and that's the point I guess, to attack on the outside there. It would have been an even better race if Perez and Leclerc had space for a clean fight all the way through turn 6.

28 dagen geleden
Sukalpa Kundu
Sukalpa Kundu

Massi was being just a Karen in Austria. Only Perez’s second altercation with Charles was only punishable none else. It was not unregulated. It is racing what spectators love.

28 dagen geleden
Fiipe Costa
Fiipe Costa

Honestly I'd like anyone's opinion on my view. I think the stewards made the right decision on Lando and both of Perez incidents because on every turn I think the outside driver was alongside more then enough to be given space, its then up to the inside driver to respect him and take a tighter line. A good example of the difference between being side by side and being just half a car alongside is Russel vs Alonso on lap 65 turn 4 where Alonso isnt ahead enough and has to make the decision (wisely) to back off at the last second, while on lap 5 Kimi and Alonso go in side by side and Alonso knows he cant use all the exit because Kimi has pinned him on the inside on his own merit, taking the position in the next corner, thats the racing I wanna see! It would of been alot easier for Alonso to just drift wide and not lose a position there. Am I really that wrong? All feedback is welcome, thank you!

28 dagen geleden
Fiipe Costa
Fiipe Costa

@Dan https://youtu.be/Gmdx7Thwcz8 You are just talking rubbish at this point... Watch the replays mate....

26 dagen geleden
Dan
Dan

@Fiipe Costa Beaten my ass.. at no point was Perez ahead in that corner.. it's also impossible to leave any space on the outside of that corner as the car drifts all the way to the kerb even in qualifying..

26 dagen geleden
Dan
Dan

@David Vasquez Checo knows now there was no gap there! Are they going to penalise ever driver who defends his position from ridiculous moves?

26 dagen geleden
Fiipe Costa
Fiipe Costa

@Dan thats killing racing though, they already do loads of management you cant surely ask a driver to back off just because they are on the outside, we wouldnt have any racing or great historic moments such as Alonso around the outside of 130R. If we were talking about a corner where there is only 1 line and it would be impossible to fit 2 cars alongside I'd understand but that isnt the case. Lando was beaten to the breaking point , refused to concede the position got off the brakes earlier then what he could of so he would carry more speed and push Perez off. We'll just have to agree to disagree my friend

26 dagen geleden
David Vasquez
David Vasquez

@Dan if your a racing driver and see a gap that’s still there you go for it, not back off a risk losing more positions because someone else moved very late to defend

28 dagen geleden
toro80
toro80

At least they were consistent the Funny part is when people try to said this one was and the other one not 🤣🤣🤣

28 dagen geleden
C S
C S

If this penalty’s don’t happen as soon as of right now then the situation could’ve gotten worse in the next races, what the FIA Is doing is preventing worst case scenario’s, every penalty was fair, is an agree or disagree topic but that’s the dilemma of the sport

28 dagen geleden
That1 Guy
That1 Guy

RIP Australia GP. I knew what was coming months ago. COTA next.

28 dagen geleden
Joshua Gabriel Catindig
Joshua Gabriel Catindig

You heard it here first: Mercedes are gonna look for loopholes in Sergio's driving once they become aware of his penalty points situation. They'll push for that race ban, alongside the changes to pit stops.

28 dagen geleden
Yoeri Weenink
Yoeri Weenink

Also RB will protest the Merc front-wing. But not till after the summer. To disrupt the 2022 dev

21 dag geleden
Exclusive EU
Exclusive EU

Wouldn't mind that albon gets a podium with that car

28 dagen geleden
Bhavika Chatterji
Bhavika Chatterji

Shite presumption

28 dagen geleden
stevejh69
stevejh69

Excellent job F1. We want to see racing, we want to see overtaking. If a driver does NOT leave room, them they must be penalized. Remember the Rossberg cheat when he went straight-on! As for the commentators crying about racing. It is not racing to Force another car off the track. Look at Verstapen's starts, he will crash into someone soon, driving across the track!

28 dagen geleden
Brian Garcia
Brian Garcia

I tried watching with my friends and they all hated the 3 penalties, just made it seem like they don’t want them to race

28 dagen geleden
Apis4
Apis4

The penalties were entirely fair. I am a big McLaren fan (more of a Ricciardo fan than a Norris one, so great see his still improving, but love Lando too), however, I winced at the time, I could see it, and knew they stewards would be looking hard. Then he does the same thing done to him, Checo that is, to Le Clerc TWICE, and again, it was pretty obvious. Tsunoda's were too. you might give him the benefit of the doubt once or twice, but when he keeps doing it, and you give a penalty, what choice do you have but to take that path again if he ignores that? All the penalties, and flags, all the warnings, all fair. We love to complain and say things are unfair, like all sports, but regulation being lax in soccer or tennis, costs someone a match, and fans good spectacle, regulations being ignored in motor racing, can cost people their lives.

28 dagen geleden
Duskrome_
Duskrome_

Checo's second penalty was bs. Leclerc needs to come to terms with the fact that he isn't driving the second best car on the grid anymore and that other drivers aren't going to just yield to him because he's in an expensive red tractor.

28 dagen geleden
SlugsandSnails
SlugsandSnails

well I suppose if you want to get more women involved in F1 you will have to protect them from toxic masculinity on the track.

28 dagen geleden
Ndaru Arrow
Ndaru Arrow

You make F1 worst just resign -jeremy Clarkson

28 dagen geleden
Anshul Shah
Anshul Shah

We don't need Masi in this sport anymore if Charlie was not dead he would have slapped him. He is such an inconsistent Race director

28 dagen geleden
Dimitriou Chemistry
Dimitriou Chemistry

Fire Massi

28 dagen geleden
Srini Krish
Srini Krish

FIA Needs to learn from Motogp. No unwanted policing.

28 dagen geleden
SaLec
SaLec

I love hard racing, but simply running someone whos clearly alongside you out of road and into the gravel isnt racing anymore.. it destroys the racing as it instantly ends the wheel to wheel battle and can even result in a retirement...

28 dagen geleden
Marc Nelson
Marc Nelson

@SaLec I respect your opinion 👍🏼 let’s hope for some racing over the next few rounds where these situations don’t occur 😁

28 dagen geleden
SaLec
SaLec

@Marc Nelson i still completely disagree. If doing what Lando and Perez did is allowed, then you can simply always just force the other driver off track to keep your position. It literally completely eliminates overtakes through corners. And it doesnt matter since when youre watching F1. If the battle between perez and norris had continued for a couple more corners it surely wouldve been more exciting than just seeing perez drop 8 positions within 1 corner because he was forced off..

28 dagen geleden
Marc Nelson
Marc Nelson

Racing is also about an element of risk, if you drive around the outside of someone who is taking his line then that’s your risk. Racing is racing and it’s the decisions a driver makes on track that makes it worth watching, the other driver shouldn’t be penalised for the risk taken by someone else, it’s no longer racing. I don’t agree with any of the Sergio or Lando penalties, they were all racing incidents. BTW I grew up on F1 in the 80s & 90s when drivers were allowed to defend or overtake, the golden days!

28 dagen geleden
Jezza
Jezza

well slowing down to not go wide also kills racing

28 dagen geleden
HalfMVsquared
HalfMVsquared

You can't expect a car's width in all kind of corners, does FIA have to be taught about that? Turn 4 has historically shown that side by side is impossible.

28 dagen geleden
sam
sam

Aust GP cancelled, bullshit!

28 dagen geleden
cDarby
cDarby

Michael Masi confirming he’s the idiot we all know he is. At this rate there will be no defensive driving or on track battles allowed at this point. The one Perez penalty could be argued was deserved but the other one and Lando’s were bs. The stewards are every bit as responsible for the horrendous racing we see these days. You wanna pass on the outside? then understand you’re taking the risk and have to decide when to pull out. No driver should be punished for getting their elbows out that’s good racing. It’s up to them to be defensive without making mistakes and up to the attacking driver to make good decisions and get the other to drive to make mistakes.

28 dagen geleden
V1nny
V1nny

Anyone else down for Bahrain outer to replace Australia raise your hand

28 dagen geleden
Viv
Viv

Aussie gp is in November..c'mon they hardly have any covid cases now , seem like overkill.

28 dagen geleden

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